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Getting Specific

I answered a question at this post concerning 1911 reliability. I thought my students might like to read it.

The question was... “What’s the deal? Is the 1911 design defective, or are the manufacturers suffering from crap QC?”

Oh, there is certainly nothing at all wrong with the 1911 as long as you keep the time in which it was first designed in mind.

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The 20th Century was only a few years old, engineering and manufacturing processes were decidedly Victorian, and hollowpoint ammo was not even a distant gleam in a ballistic designer’s eye.

The 1911 was ergonomically designed, and feels comfortable in the hands of most people. It is accurate, rugged, and most enthusiasts think that it has an elegance about it that is very pleasing to the eye. It has been so popular for so long that there are thousands of after market parts and accessories available, so much that anyone with deep pockets and a great deal of time can fine tune their 1911 so it fits them like a glove.

The problem is that technology has passed the basic design far behind, leaving it coughing and choking in the dust left by advances in materials, bullet design, and manufacturing processes.

The basic 1911 design balks at hollowpoints because it was never designed to feed them. It usually takes some work by a gunsmith to get the gun to work with modern ammunition, and then (as Tam points out above in her last comment) the owner usually has to carefully select through trial and error a particular load that will function in their own gun.

All this tweaking and shooting takes money, although you can cut the cost down if you know enough basic gunsmithing to do some of the work yourself. Usually, though, it requires a skilled professional. Some gunsmiths actually specialize in 1911 work.

The majority of modern designs will feed hollowpoints right out of the box, will shoot more accurately than the owner can, and will last for thousands upon thousands of rounds without requiring anything more than minor repairs, if that. But it is virtually impossible to customize the gun beyond a few cosmetic changes like after market grips....

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...or new sights...,

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...and most people agree that they are not as ergonomically designed. This is why you get 1911 enthusiasts complaining about how modern grips feel odd, or how the trigger isn’t as crisp as their own favorite.

Another factor is price. As pdb points out in his post, the parts of a 1911 require a great deal more skilled fitting than modern designs. This not only drives the price up for the gunsmithing required to smooth out the reliability problems, but also the basic gun itself has a hefty cost. The bottom line is that a 1911 will cost about two or three times as much as a modern design that will protect you just as well.

UPDATE
Tam states that she used to have a similar opinion concerning 1911's, but she is now convinced that she is wrong. This is an extremely polite way, of course, of saying that *I* am wrong.

She might be right, and I could very well have missed something. She certainly has more experience with 1911's than I do. But I still encounter brand new, factory fresh 1911's that jam consistently when loaded with hollowpoints. This admittedly doesn't occur very often because the majority of my students simply cannot afford them, and so I don't see too many of the breed. But it does happen from time to time.

In all good conscience, I am going to have to stick with my first assessment that there is a 30% chance that a randomly selected brand new 1911 will be unreliable. That seems to be the way the cards have fallen in my experience, after all.

Comments (4)

Alan [TypeKey Profile Page]:

I think that much of the debate is over differing purposes with the guns as icons for those purposes.

So when someone says "Glock is the best!" they're leaving off the "for what I'm using it for" part. What the 1911 owner hears is some Glock fanboy trying to tell him that the Glock is better when clearly the 1911 owner thinks the 1911 is better suited for his purposes, otherwise he'd be using something else.

Then the flame war starts up again.

It's axiomatic that all gun choices are a compromise in one way or another. You just have to find the compromise that sucks least for your purposes.


ke4sky [TypeKey Profile Page]:

An issue recognized with the M1911 from those who have used it in close combat is that its grip angle is "wrong" so that it is not a "natural pointer" when gripped convulsively and shot instinctively, as an alarmed combatant does under stress. Shots group low if you point-shoot without use of sights. An M1911 is slower to get into action and less accurate than a DA revolver in low-light, near-contact to 20 ft. realistic combat distance. Read Applegate's "Bullseyes Don't Shoot Back" for more discussion.

Ludwig [TypeKey Profile Page]:

I haven't read "Bullseyes Don't Shoot Back". However all modern magazine pistols have about the same angle. I've heard that the Luger is the only semiauto pistol that naturally points well.

There are modern 1911s that are reliable with hollowpoints out of the box. I'm not sure what parameters had to be changed from the original design. Given the corner on hollowpoints, I would guess the integral feedramp on Paras would make them more reliable with hollowpoints. I know mine has eaten everything I've fed it so far.

TheGunGeek [TypeKey Profile Page]:

I read somewhere a while back that one of the big name gun companies (I want to say S&W) spent a chunk of change trying to find out what the best grip angle was and when all was said and done, they found out that JMB was right all along.

I'm guessing Browning took two pieces of wood and a bolt and held them up like a gun and adjusted the horizontal piece until it was always pointing where he wanted it to and then measured the angle and ran with it.

My little KelTec always points low unless I have an extended magazine in it so that my pinkie finger is supported. Then it points right where I expect it to.

I also have not read Bullseyes, so maybe there is a difference between controlled and combat shooting that I have not experienced.

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